[Velikovsky]

There is plenty of evidence to support the case that Barack Obama's politcal stance is Marxist Communism. You can challenge me on this statement or if you think America is worth the time and effort it would take to do the research to find out for yourself, you can do that for yourself.

But if you voted for the un-American, anti-Capitalist, Statist Communist and are planning on voting for him again without doing one of these options please spare us any of your gawdy, meaningless displays of overt phoney American patriotism. (specifically union government workers, firefighters, private sector union workers, racial people who vote for the Communist because he is "black".)

This goes for all you Obama voters who will vote for him no matter what he is because your union told you to, or you 're worried those evil Republicans might jeopordize "your" government payment (even though you have more money than the federal government. No? You don't? Or you almost $16 Trillion in debt?) , or you know what you want to believe and you won't let any facts get in the way of this or you vote for Obama because he looks like you do.

[doxielvr3]

I think Romney might make a good president. Especially if he picks a running mate like Rubio. I think Romney may be able to help the economy grow and have a business friendly environment where business will be able to grow and expand. I have always thought a good business person would be a good president. Somebody like Obama had no business experience and it has showed with the way he has ran the country.

I think Romney can beat Obama but the fly in the ointment would be somebody like Ron Paul running a third party candidacy assuring an Obama win.

With our economy a wreck I think Romney could just be the right president at the right time. Let's hope.

[Velikovsky]

but, uh, Obama is a Communist.

Why even compare the merits of these two men when one of them is a Communist!

[doxielvr3]

Because one is a businessman who knows how to run a business. Who understands capitalism. The other one only had experience as a community organizer.

This "communist" is the slickest liar and teller of half truths ever. He plays class warfare constantly. He constantly misquotes what his opponents say and the main stream media does not report on his constant lying but continue to cheer him on. He practically owns NBC.

So with his horrible record he might be tough to beat in November.

Look at what the media did with Paul Ryan when he tried to get the budget under control. The democrats ran ads with him pushing granny in a wheel chair over the cliff. Obama is going to do about anything to win and the republicans better be ready.

V even if Obama admitted to being a communist he would still be tough to beat. NBC would still be in his pocket. The media would still not call him out for lying. He would still use class warfare as a weapon. Anybody already who has followed Obama would know he sure has some radical friends including Jeremiah Wright his pastor of 20 years along with a host of other radicals he has associated with. Just does not seem to matter to many people in this country.

[Velikovsky]

This election will be a landslide and America will win because;

(Chorus) OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST!

[doxielvr3]

[quote author=Velikovsky link=topic=3919.msg88244#msg88244 date=1336133532]
This election will be a landslide and America will win because;

(Chorus) OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST!
[/quote]

(Chorus) Nyet Nyet

He hasn't lost the landslide yet

[Velikovsky]

You get 20 people to vote in favor of America's future and I'll get 20 people to vote in favor of America's future. Is it a deal?

Does everyone that has viewed this post already know that Obama is a Communist? I thought at least one person who did not think America was important enough to do his own research would challenge me on this.

[lepew_62]

I always thought working on a collective farm would be jolly good fun.

[Velikovsky]

What's stopping you?

[Jeff9]

There was a fad of collectivism in the early to mid 1800s in America.  All of these communes, noteably  Harmonie attempted 3 times by millionaire George Rapp and New Harmony attempted by Robert Owen, were abject failures.  "The New Harmony experiment was established in 1825 and dissolved in 1829 due to constant quarrels. The town banned money and other commodities. Individualist anarchist Josiah Warren, who was one of the original participants in the New Harmony Society, asserted that the community was doomed to failure due to a lack of individual sovereignty and private property. He wrote of the community: "It seemed that the difference of opinion, tastes and purposes increased just in proportion to the demand for conformity. Two years were worn out in this way; at the end of which, I believe that not more than three persons had the least hope of success. Most of the experimenters left in despair of all reforms, and conservatism felt itself confirmed. We had tried every conceivable form of organization and government. We had a world in miniature. --we had enacted the French revolution over again with despairing hearts instead of corpses as a result. ...It appeared that it was nature's own inherent law of diversity that had conquered us ...our 'united interests' were directly at war with the individualities of persons and circumstances and the instinct of self-preservation... and it was evident that just in proportion to the contact of persons or interests, so are concessions and compromises indispensable." (Periodical Letter II 1856)."  The problem with most of these communities was that while many of the members were very willing to do 'head' work, very few were willing to do 'hand' work.  In other words they were very much like the mob of poly sci graduates who are currently roaming American cities demanding socialism under the guise of OWS.  In other words the problem with communes is that those who tend to desire to live in them do not have the motivation to do the labor that is requiered to perpetuate them.  In the immortal words of Margaret Thatcher, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."You see socialism/communism is not a sef sustaining system, it is a parasitic one.  This was the fatal flaw of the USSR, as it had to continually expand and absorb new countries inorder to parasitize their wealth and resources.  Many who still hold that communism is a viable political system maintain that the reason it failed in the USSR is that Russia at the time of the revolution was too backward and had not built up a robust capitalist economy as a base which communism requires to succeed.  They claim that communism was intended for countries like Germany or the United States and could work in these countries, which proves my point that it is parasitic.  China seems to have solved this problem by moving from a purely communist country to basically a state capitalism slave labor system.  "A nation which prefers disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one." --Alexander Hamilton

[mike9]

No matter what the setting is. There will always be something that someone has and worked to get and mantain, that someone else will be envious of. They will want the same, without working for it. Anyone ever watch Locked up Raw? In the prison system, if you have a nice pair of shoes, you are a target.

[doxielvr3]

Some things never change. I heard some knuckleheads in the Occupy Wall Street movement talking about wanting a system like Cuba. Really. They have no clue what living under a dictator like Castro would be like. Back in the 60's we had leftists saying the same things and going to Cuba to work in the communes. I think most Americans at the time would have loved to have given them one way tickets.

The analogy I think of is somebody who owns a new Cadillac and wants to trade even up for an old beater car. Our system and way of life is so much better than what they have in Cuba.

Only somebody really clueless would even consider wanting a Cuban style government over the American way of life.

[Velikovsky]

The definition of new American poverty: When someone else has more stuff than you do.

[Jeff9]

A similar thing happened when members of FDR's administration went to the Soviet Union and came back saying that they had the right system over there and that it worked.  They had toured the gulags and said that they were similar to our CCC work camps! 

[doxielvr3]

**Here is the catch 22 and the predicament this country will face even if Romney wins and the republicans gain both houses. If they start cutting back on entitlement spending while at the same time continue with tax breaks and promoting business growth the demagoguery will be overwhelming. The class warfare will be greater than ever. It will be painted by the media as giving the rich breaks at the expense of the poor. The problem with trying to tax our way out of debt is that it is counterproductive to business growth and the problem with cutting of spending is the propaganda that will be used against the republicans. The left will say the rich are not paying their fair share when the facts show they actually pay more than their fair share. But facts don't matter against propaganda.

All I can say is that it better work quickly...the economy improving, job growth, etc...or what happened in France will happen here. Although here we already have a socialist as president who is a miserable failure but that may not matter once the propaganda machine (mainstream media, George Soros, MSNBC and CNN) start pounding daily on themes of tax breaks for the rich and cuts for the poor.



PARIS –  Socialist Francois Hollande defeated conservative incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy on Sunday to become France's next president, heralding a change in how Europe tackles its debt crisis and how France flexes its military and diplomatic muscle around the world.

  Exuberant, diverse crowds filled the Place de la Bastille, the iconic plaza of the French Revolution, to fete Hollande's victory, waving French, European and labor union flags and climbing the column that rises at its center. Leftists are overjoyed to have one of their own in power for the first time since Socialist Francois Mitterrand was president from 1981 to 1995.

  "Austerity can no longer be inevitable!" Hollande declared in his victory speech Sunday night after a surprising campaign that saw him transform from an unremarkable, mild figure to an increasingly statesmanlike one.

  Sarkozy is the latest victim of a wave of voter anger at government spending cuts around Europe that have tossed out governments and leaders over the past couple of years.

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