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« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2012, 02:24:49 pm »

Obama and the Left are attempting to set up a totalitarian regime in place of the United States government.

You don't think that reason alone would be enough for people NOT to re-elect Barack Obama? That we need gas to be $4.00 per gallon for them NOT to re-elect him?

What does this say about the electorate.

We'll get Obama out in November and get someone in there that knows oil is not a bad thing.

Oil is the fuel of the future.
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« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2012, 09:14:10 pm »

I found out today why gas prices were going up. A lady in her 40s told me that it was because Republicans wouldn't raise the taxes on the rich. I was confused, since the oil industry and gas stations would be considered rich, and their taxes went up. Wouldn't that make gas cost more? But since I figured she watches alot of MSNBC, she must have all her ducks in a row on this one. LOL
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« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2012, 09:53:20 pm »

Here's a link to an interesting analysis of the relationship between domestic U.S. oil production and the price of gas.  I realize that because it comes from Associated Press and not Fox News it will be highly suspect, but even so ...

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2012/03/21/more-us-drilling-didnt-drop-gas-price.html

Here are the opening paragraphs:

It's the political cure-all for high gas prices: Drill here, drill now. But more U.S. drilling has not changed how deeply the gas pump drills into your wallet, math and history show.

A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjusted gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows no statistical correlation between how much oil comes out of U.S. wells and the price at the pump.

If more domestic oil drilling worked as politicians say, you'd now be paying about $2 a gallon for gasoline. Instead, you're paying the highest prices ever for March.


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« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2012, 07:51:03 am »

This is easy! For prices to go down, demand has to drop, or supply has to increase. Supply and demand economics, it's been peer reviewed and proven hundreds of thousands of times.
Currently world demand for oil is around 83 million barrels per day. World production of oil is a little over 80 million barrels a day. See, the demand is higher than supply! Prices are going up! This is good for the middle east and terrorists, bad for us. Now, like in the article, you assume the US increasing production by 17% would make a big difference... No... Why? Because our production has been so pitiful over the last few decades, 17% is insignificant. Now, if we were to open up ANWR, the Bakken and all off shore drilling, eliminate the onerous, wasteful and rediculous permit process (Seven years to get a permit? Are you serious? How about seven days! That's what I'm talking about!) Our production could be ramped up by 4, 5 or even 6 million barrels a day! Now, the supply would exceed the demand and prices would fall! Brilliant! Not to mention all those wonderful, well paying, blue collar jobs that would be created! Where is the down side to this? If some one says "Global Warming" I'm gonna scream! Have you ever enjoyed a more beautiful spring in your life? I like this global warming stuff! (Actually, I don't think this mild winter and beautiful spring have anything to do with global warming, I just think Ma Nature is paying us back for some of the rotten winters we've suffered through lately)
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« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2012, 07:52:24 am »

Most of the time, the most simple sounding solution is the best.
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« Reply #95 on: March 22, 2012, 08:01:08 am »

Last night, I was having a pleasant conversation, via text, with a relative out of state. She commented, gas in her state, was cheaper than ours. I said "Hang on a few minutes, these high prices will catch up with you folks, soon".. She laughed! (Actually she did one of those LOL things) Then she made the most brilliant statement of the month... She said "Obama is too busy dealing with contraceptives, to worry about drilling!"  I think that shows the priorities of this administration, pretty well, doesn't it!
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« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2012, 08:20:20 am »

Why would you suspect an article;s credibilty because it came from FOX News?
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« Reply #97 on: March 22, 2012, 08:52:26 am »

We need a change of policy.

The oil industry is demonized, oil as a product is maligned.

We need people in positions of power that do not base policies on the belief that oil is a bad thing.

Obama is to blame for the high gas prices.
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« Reply #98 on: March 22, 2012, 12:01:23 pm »

Gas is up to $3.99 a gallon at some stations today. What strikes me is we had an incredibly mild winter in this country and prices are still going up higher and higher? What would have happened if we would have had a harsh winter with a lot more gas consumption? I would venture to guess it would be in the $5 to 6 dollar range and I still believe that some time this year we are looking at $5 a gallon gas....Oh well there is always a silver lining...How will our current president get elected with such high gas prices and his administration claiming they are doing a good job on holding down gas prices?

I look for him to blame Bush Grin
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« Reply #99 on: March 22, 2012, 12:04:55 pm »

BROKEN PROMISES OR JUST OUTRIGHT LIES:


“After nearly four years of broken promises and job-destroying energy policies, President Obama’s credibility is running on empty. It’s going to take more than a press conference to convince Americans that this President has any idea how to implement a pro-growth energy plan that will lower prices at the pump and create new American jobs.” –Andrea Saul, Romney Campaign Spokesperson
Yesterday, President Obama Claimed Yesterday That He Wants “Gas Prices Lower” And Called High Gas Prices “Not Good For The Overall Economy”:

President Obama: “I Want Gas Prices Lower Because They Hurt Families … And It’s Not Good For The Overall Economy.” OBAMA: “Do you think the President of the United States going into a re-election wants gas prices to go up higher? … I want gas prices lower because they hurt families. … And it's not good for the overall economy because when gas prices go up, consumer spending often times pulls back, and we’re in the midst right now of a recovery that is starting to build up steam and we do not want to reverse it.” (President Barack Obama, Press Conference, 3/6/12)
But President Obama’s Own Advisors Have Claimed Lowering Gas Prices Is Not The Administration’s Goal:

Last Week, Energy Secretary Chu Claimed Lowering Gas Prices Was Not The “Overall Goal” Of The Administration. “High gasoline prices will make research into such alternatives more urgent, Chu said. ‘But is the overall goal to get our price —‘, asked Nunnelee, who didn’t finish the sentence. ‘No, the overall goal is to decrease our dependency on oil, to build and strengthen our economy,’ Chu replied.” (Alex Guillen, “Chu: DOE Working To Wean U.S. Off Oil,” Politico, 2/28/12)

In 2008, Secretary Chu Said “Somehow We Have To Figure Out How To Boost The Price Of Gasoline To The Levels In Europe.” “In a sign of one major internal difference, Mr. Chu has called for gradually ramping up gasoline taxes over 15 years to coax consumers into buying more-efficient cars and living in neighborhoods closer to work. 'Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,' Mr. Chu, who directs the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal in September.” (Neil King Jr. and Stephen Power, "Times Tough For Energy Overhaul," The Wall Street Journal, 12/12/08)

Obama Adviser David Axelrod, In 2011: “I Think People Have Gotten The Message That The Era Of Cheap Gas Is Over.” “Axelrod appeared on a panel at the Aspen Ideas Festival June 28. 2011, when the moderator asked him, ‘When is Barack going to tell the American people the era of cheap gasoline is over?’ Axelrod took the bait and answered, ‘Well, first of all, I think people have gotten the message that the era of cheap gasoline is over. I filled up my tank the other day, people seemed to get it.’” (Paul Bedard, “Obama Replay: No More Cheap Gas For You!” The Washington Examiner, 3/6/12)
President Obama Has Been Making Empty Promises On Gas Prices For The Last Four Years:

Candidate Obama In 2008: “As President, I Will Work To Solve This Energy Crisis Once And For All.” OBAMA: “And as President, I will work to solve this energy crisis once and for all. We'll invest $150 billion over the next ten years in establishing a green energy sector that will create up to 5 million new jobs - and those are jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced. We'll invest in clean energies like solar, wind, and biodiesel. And we'll help make sure that the fuel we're using is more efficient.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks in Indianapolis, IN, 4/25/08)

Obama, Four Years Ago: “I Want To Invest That Money … So That We're Not Talking About High Fuel Prices Next Summer Or The Next Summer After That, Or The Summer After That.” OBAMA: “I want to invest that money in clean, affordable, renewable energy sources like wind power, and solar power, and biofuels, so that we're not talking about high fuel prices next summer or the next summer after that, or the summer after that.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks in Winston-Salem, NC, 4/29/08)
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« Reply #100 on: March 22, 2012, 02:45:24 pm »

A conversation I was having with a person from Cincinnati on another blog....



ChrisDG74, Cincinnati, OH

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—Living in Ohio, I can tell you that we saw $4.299 in the Cincinnati area in 2008. Soon after that 75-cent drop you speak of, a hurricane went through Texas. Retail in SW Ohio went from $3.49 on a Sat am, to $3.69 Sat pm, to $3.99 Sun am. And, a lot of stations went to $4.299 Monday, as other stations were running out of regular unleaded.


on 22 Mar 2012 at 11:43 am 29The Real Truth

Chris, the Hurricane you speak of did little to reduce gas supplies. In my section of Ohio, we did not see such rediculous price jumps. The prices you are referring too were knee jerk reactions by isolated distributors and retailers. I remember at the time, there was a call for action on price gouging and those prices dropped rapidly…
Now.. George Bush and the Republican controlled Congress had 6 unobstructed years to do something about our energy situation and failed to act. In my opinion, those six years of Republican control are possibly the most pathetic example of leadership in the history of this Nation. During those six years, the budget could have been balanced, Social Security and Medicare could have been stabilized and a responsible route to energy independence could have been put in place. Instead we got “No Child Left Behind”, “The TSA” and “The Department Of Homeland Security”… That’s very disappointing..

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« Reply #101 on: March 22, 2012, 09:07:05 pm »

That's because oil is a global commodity and U.S. production has only a tiny influence on supply


This is from the article about how drilling wont help bring down gas prices. So are they saying if we did more we could have a larger effect on the global scale?

I have an idea. Tell OPEC to shove it. We will drill for all our own oil, and refine it ourselves. Why even mess around with other countries? Come on, we are America, land of the free home of the brave. If it can't be done in America, then it can't be down. Where is the patriotism we all love to act like we have:HuhHuhHuh We gonna sit around and with our thumbs up our butts and cry about it being a global market? Screw that, it doesn't have to be a global market. We can have our own oil market.
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« Reply #102 on: March 23, 2012, 07:55:38 am »

Bush and the republicans were pathetic like you say mainly because we expected more from them. Bush's administration was not the worst though by a long shot. The worst is the one who replaced him. Obama didn't hesitate to throw his power around his first 2 years with complete control of congress by pushing through the hugely wasteful shovel ready jobs porkulus bill and Obamacare.

When Obama rammed through health care the press constantly called it the proper term he did by means of "reconciliation" however every time the republicans under Bush would talk about passing a bill through "reconciliation" the liberal media went nuts calling it the "nuclear option!"

Bush did not have a liberal media cheer leading for him but instead for his terms they did everything under the sun to find fault with him....have they done this with Obama??
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« Reply #103 on: March 23, 2012, 07:59:45 am »

Seeing how we consume the most oil, doesn't it make sense that we produce the most oil? Not only would that keep fuel prices low, it would keep them consistently low. Couple that with the hundreds of thousands, of well paying, blue collar jobs that would be created and our economy would blossom.
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« Reply #104 on: March 24, 2012, 06:52:21 am »

After Bush's re-election he took on reforming Social Security. If I'm thinking right, the proposed plan was to allow contributors to the program under a certain age to divert a small percentage of what would have been their SS contribution into a real, private sector investment. It was to be done on a voluntary basis.

The Democrats, the AARP, the main stream media and every Leftist organization demonized this as an attempt by G.W.Bush to privatize the entire Social Security System.

This was a lie.
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